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New Van Halen album in the works?

According to BlabberMouth.net that is exactly what is happening.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/van-halen-is-putting-together-a-new-album-says-mark-tremonti/

It’s been pretty quiet on the VAN HALEN front lately but we’ve now found out why – they’re working on a new album. ALTER BRIDGE guitarist Mark Tremonti broke the news when he was telling VH1 Radio Network’s Dave Basner about how new music is coming along with his solo band, TREMONTI, which includes VAN HALEN bassist Wolfgang Van Halen.

Said Mark: “With Wolfgang in the band now, he does a lot of work with VAN HALEN right now, they’re putting together a new album, so it’s going to be hard to get everybody’s schedules to line up.”

When VH1 Radio Network asked Tremonti if Wolfie tells him how the new VAN HALEN music is sounding, Mark said: “You know, he doesn’t. He just says, ‘Yeah, sounds great, man. Sounds great.'”

After singer David Lee Roth said in an interview last summer that VAN HALEN has started work on its 13th studio album, the next question was whether the material will be freshly written or pulled from the band’s vaults. Many of the songs on 2012’s “A Different Kind Of Truth” originated from demos going back to the group’s earliest days, and Wolfgang Van Halen told The Pulse Of Radio that there’s more where that came from. “There’s plenty of other ideas lying around and some new stuff that we’ve been working on too,” he said. “You never know what’ll happen.”

According to The Pulse Of Radio, Roth told comedian Jim Florentine back in August: “I was up at [guitarist] Edward’s [Van Halen] house three days ago, and we’re starting to put music together. We’re writing; I write lyrics routinely and the band plays together routinely, at least three times a week up at Ed’s place.”

But Roth also cautioned that fans should not expect to hear the finished follow-up to 2012’s “A Different Kind Of Truth” for at least 18 months.

“A Different Kind Of Truth” was the first new VAN HALEN album in 14 years and the first since 1984 to feature Roth, the band’s original singer, on lead vocals.

The disc debuted at No. 2 on the Billboard album chart, selling 187,000 copies in its first week of release.

The group toured through the spring and early part of the summer of 2012 behind the album, but abruptly pulled off the road that June due to “exhaustion.” A severe intestinal disorder later sidelined Eddie Van Halen, restricting the band to only sporadic live shows since.

Comments
  1. 1234over

    7 months ago

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    Van Halen, as in Alex, Eddie and Wolfgang may be making new music, but Dave's in Japan.
    
    I know they can send him new music to write lyrics too, but this process seems at odds with how they recorded the 6 pack.
    
    Dave February 7 2014:

    https://scontent-b-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/1604554_454942714607843_1412401909_n.jpg

    Maybe Roth just sent out an old pic, with a metaphorical message? hahaha

    I don’t know that they didn’t do something like that before. For all I know, when they recorded Fair Warning, Roth wouldn’t be there some days, and come in later (alone) to do the vocals.

    I do really wish they would just get songs into shape away from each other, then go into the studio, bash’em out live, together with Roth doing guide vocals (like do one song a day, but spaced ou,t so they don’t have to look at each other too many days in a row), and then let Roth finish up the vocals afterwards.

  2. Nick AVH fan

    7 months ago

    Well, this catches me by surprise, honestly.

    I’m very interested though.

  3. Nick AVH fan

    7 months ago

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    It's interesting that, in this current dwindling CD retail market, that VH makes the effort.
    I honestly expected ADKOT to be the swan song, as it were.
    ADKOT was well received, but it didn't do major numbers (but then, who does in the Bieber age?)
    
    I think with Wolfie on hand, it will remain more hard rock suited.
    The days of "sending messages in a bottle," are (hopefully) in the past.

    It seems they’ve got at least enough fire for one more album and tour.

  4. Nick AVH fan

    7 months ago

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    This is great news. Van Halen working on their next album. 
    
    Although Mark Temonti knows he will get loads of press from talking about Van Halen.... something just doesn't add up.
    
    Didn't Mark or Wolfgang announce that Wolfgang would be touring in February 2014 with Tremonti? 
    
    But now they are both recording?
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    ShipRocked 2014: Papa Roach, Living Colour, Sevendust, Tremonti 
  5. Heisenberg

    7 months ago

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    Also, where did you get the Tremonti dates? I can't find anything about his solo band going on tour at all this year.

    They just did some sort of cruise ship shows recently. Maybe last week or last month, I forget. But I remember seeing pictures of them. I think it was on the Van Halen Dot Net Facebook page. Most likely the pictures originated from Wolfgang’s Tweeter page. Check over there.

  6. Nick AVH fan

    7 months ago

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    They just did some sort of cruise ship shows recently. Maybe last week or last month, I forget. But I remember seeing pictures of them. I think it was on the Van Halen Dot Net Facebook page. Most likely the pictures originated from Wolfgang's Tweeter page. Check over there.

    Yeah, I remember that. Thought it might have been a one off show, but no tour date list on his facebook.

  7. CalFB

    7 months ago

    We’re seeing Alter Bridge in a couple of weeks, he’s a busy fella.

  8. DLR 1973

    7 months ago

    QUOTE

    They just did some sort of cruise ship shows recently. Maybe last week or last month, I forget. But I remember seeing pictures of them. I think it was on the Van Halen Dot Net Facebook page. Most likely the pictures originated from Wolfgang's Tweeter page. Check over there.
    
    
    
    
    Yes I just remember at the end of last year, Tremonti talking to the press about their intentions for 2014. 
    
    In absence of any word from the band in 2014 regarding working on new music, Mark Tremonti's comments are well received.
    
    I do think we have to keep in mind that Mark Tremonti understands that his interview will receive lots more coverage, due to him mentioning any news on Van Halen.
  9. DLR 1973

    7 months ago

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    It seems they've got at least enough fire for one more album and tour.
    
    
    
    
    I think we are seeing a pattern set now of a new Van Halen record every 3 years, which will continue for as long as the band does.
    
    As musicians, they are always playing and practicing. They also have a vault at 5150 that is crammed full of music that so far they have never used.
    
    I see no reason for them to stop.
    
    Dave also appears to be committed to continue with Van Halen, especially as he wouldn't want to see anyone else take his place again.
  10. unchainedguitars

    7 months ago

    Got my hands on the track list for the new record.
    Looks like they are really digging into the vaults, for this one:

    Side one:

    Rock and roll hootchie Koo

    The Rover

    Maybe i’m a Leo

    Put out the lights

    Walk this way

    Side two:

    As it was

    Babe don’t leave me alone

    Get down tonight

    La Grange

    If it hurts, act like it

  11. 1234over

    7 months ago

    QUOTE

    Got my hands on the track list for the new record.
    Looks like they are really digging into the vaults, for this one:
    
    Side one:
    
    Rock and roll hootchie Koo
    
    The Rover
    
    Maybe i'm a Leo
    
    Put out the lights
    
    Walk this way
    
    Side two:
    
    As it was
    
    Babe don't leave me alone
    
    Get down tonight
    
    La Grange
    
    If it hurts, act like it

    Oh, yer a bastard, UG!
    The funny thing is, you might not be so far off.

  12. unchainedguitars

    7 months ago

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    Oh, yer a bastard, UG!
    The funny thing is, you might not be so far off.

    Nah, i’m thinking they MIGHT follow your lead, and do something
    outside the box, that MIGHT (or might not) be great.

    I get the impression that Ed is somewhat content, at this point, and
    Dave is enjoying his place back in the band.

    Wolfie can be the filter, if they fly too far off the musical rails.

  13. 1234over

    7 months ago

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    Nah, i'm thinking they MIGHT follow your lead, and do something
    outside the box, that MIGHT (or might not) be great.
    
    I get the impression that Ed is somewhat content, at this point, and
    Dave is enjoying his place back in the band.
    
    Wolfie can be the filter, if they fly too far off the musical rails.

    Yeah, EVH doesn’t seem too fired up, but it’s hard to judge because for so much of this time he has been recuperating.
    I’m expecting at least ONE tune to be “left field” like they used to do. I think for the comeback record they played it pretty straightforward.

  14. Nick AVH fan

    7 months ago

    I wouldn’t mind more vault excursions, just have enough new material too.

    “Eyes of the Night”, “Angel Eyes”, “We Die Bold”, “Piece of Mind” would be great tracks.

  15. unchainedguitars

    7 months ago

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    Yeah, EVH doesn't seem too fired up, but it's hard to judge because for so much of this time he has been recuperating. 
    I'm expecting at least ONE tune to be "left field" like they used to do. I think for the comeback record they played it pretty straightforward.

    But not really, though.

    After the sap of the Hag era & the new agey indulgence of the Cherone era, they came back with
    Bullethead, Chinatown, AS is and even HBSD.

    There was a strange aggression on ADKOT, that to me, seemed unexpected.
    No ballads, too!

  16. 1234over

    7 months ago

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    But not really, though.
    
    After the sap of the Hag era & the new agey indulgence of the Cherone era, they came back with
    Bullethead, Chinatown, AS is and even HBSD.
    
    There was a strange aggression on ADKOT, that to me, seemed unexpected.
    No ballads, too!

    I see what you mean. They seemed to want to show they could still be heavy. I think this album will have an oddball like “Could This Be Magic”, “Big Bad Bill”, or even “Sunday Afternoon/One Foot”.

    You are right about that aggression, especially Roth’s lyrics. Some dark stuff.

  17. unchainedguitars

    7 months ago

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    I see what you mean. They seemed to want to show they could still be heavy. I think this album will have an oddball like "Could This Be Magic", "Big Bad Bill", or even "Sunday Afternoon/One Foot". 
    
    You are right about that aggression, especially Roth's lyrics. Some dark stuff.

    But they did kinda (i said kinda) play it safe by going the vault route.

    STILL…

    I think they used up all the good old stuff.
    I still think “Tattoo” should have remained as “Down in flames.”

    They might be able to salvage a riff or two, but the “jive metal” of Bold, Eyes, Babe, etc.
    I just don’t think it will fly in 2014.
    Granted, i love the “aww shucks” innocence of it, the youthfulness, but i think we need
    something classic in style, but more modern or where they are at now.

  18. Nick AVH fan

    7 months ago

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    But they did kinda (i said kinda) play it safe by going the vault route.
    
    STILL...
    
    I think they used up all the good old stuff.
    I still think "Tattoo" should have remained as "Down in flames."
    
    They might be able to salvage a riff or two, but the "jive metal" of Bold, Eyes, Babe, etc.
    I just don't think it will fly in 2014.
    Granted, i love the "aww shucks" innocence of it, the youthfulness, but i think we need
    something classic in style, but more modern or where they are at now.

    Hmm, I see that. But I think Dave changed the lyrics because he felt more attachment and meaning with the new ones than the old lyrics. “Tattoo” has grown on me a bit. It’s still a weak opener, but I do like the lyrics.

  19. unchainedguitars

    7 months ago

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    Hmm, I see that. But I think Dave changed the lyrics because he felt more attachment and meaning with the new ones than the old lyrics. "Tattoo" has grown on me a bit. It's still a weak opener, but I do like the lyrics.

    I love it in its original form on that ’78 bootleg!

    Down in flames shoulda opened VHII.

    I feel like Ed would be bored recycling riffs again, though.
    The fun is in creating new riffs and song’s.
    Maybe he will do half & half.

  20. Nick AVH fan

    7 months ago

    I wouldn’t mind half and half at all.

    And an instrumental!!

  21. CalFB

    7 months ago

    Tattoo kinda grew on me. I remember when it happened, I was walking around the pool table looking for a shot, cue in one hand, beer in the other and I thought to myself, “they are really laying down the groove here, it’s pretty cool.”

    I don’t mind what they bring next, I hope it’s gonna be another round of great rock music and I can’t think that it would be anything less.

  22. rawkinrobbievh1

    7 months ago

    New Van Halen in the works ? Yup , count me in 100% !!!

    I was one of the few who held firm and kept the faith before the last album . It was sweet when the last disc came out and stunned the critics and naysayers .
    ADKoT was a hard rockin’ platter for sure !

  23. cowboydan

    7 months ago

    I loved ADKOT, but I want a full cd of brand new VH………….or at least as brand new as possible. I would love to not know 1 riff off the new album from a previous demo or unreleased youtube track. Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with what they did on ADKOT, and I know that it’s the norm. I would just love to get that feeling of hearing a full VH cd of brand new riffs.

  24. EVH_Erupted

    7 months ago

    Yeah, I don’t mind if they put a few songs from the vault -what ever is left- but I’d really love some fresh shit. I think Eddie still has it in him.

  25. rawkinrobbievh1

    7 months ago

    It’s no secret that EVERY VH album has had riffs that were previously used . I’m not worried about ADKoT’s follow up cd !
    The track record is proven to be a winner :)

  26. rawkinrobbievh1

    7 months ago

    There have been a few mentions online , that a new VH album ‘might’ only be an EP . GASP !!!
    I hope that’s not the case . Although I’ll take anything new with open arms , I’m hoping for a full length album .

    The guys apparently have a multitude of music/demos/ideas to pull from . Can’t wait :101:

  27. punkatomic

    7 months ago

    This ought to be good.

    At least some rumors or a rumor that Van Halen is or might be recording a new album.

    I noticed that Dave hasn’t said a word in some time.

    I like ADKOT still. However, what I liked then is what I like now. Nothing has grown on me. Tattoo is just as weak as the first time I heard it. However, I like it better live. Has a Jump vibe to it, IMO. Not the biggest fan of Jump, but I do enjoy it when it’s played live.

    ADKOT has kind of a herky jerky flow to it, IMO. All of the 6pack had a flow. They took you somewhere. A very comfortable ride if you well. Your No Good to Beautiful Girls. Mean Street to One Foot Out The Door. 1984/Jump to House of Pain. There’s a flow. ADKOT has this stop and go feel to it. I would compare it to Diver Down in that sense. With that being said, DD has a flow.

    Going from Tattoo to She’s The Woman is like going from McDonalds Chicken McNuggets w/ranch to a 1 inch cut, 16 oz. Rib-Eye. Throws you off. The Trouble with Never is a great song, but it doesn’t feel right following As Is and Honeybabiesweetydoll. Just a different vibe. Bullethead and You and Your Blues are good songs, but they feel like they DON’T belong on the same album. Top Jimmy is such a different song on 1984, but it feels perfect for that album. Could This Be Magic is the same thing. It’s perfect.

    ADKOT just feels put together, not grown. Organic if you will. Not sure if that’s from not working together for awhile. Egos? Equipment? Producers? I don’t know. I would like to believe that the next album would have that VH flow and vibe. Time together and all.

    Anyway, any VH news or rumors are good.

    Wonder when Sammy is going give us his two cents? That guy is like a bad case of herpes.

  28. Heisenberg

    7 months ago

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    There have been a few mentions online , that a new VH album 'might' only be an EP.

    No, No, No.

    You don’t believe or quote any ” forum ” comments from fans. Unless it comes from a reputable site or magazine interview. I have NEVER heard any thing about VH doing an EP. That is just someone’s suggestion on a forum. Not worthy of considering a rumour. Any bozo can say anything, then other people accept it as fact. Most people know better.

  29. rawkinrobbievh1

    7 months ago

    I liked Sam’s stuff with VH , and a handful of his pre and post material . A couple of CF tunes were also okay by me . That’s my opinion . That’s fair .

    Having said that ? I’m not too concerned with anything Sam has to say now , in regards to the current version of Van Halen . He misses being the frontman for America’s greatest rock band (no matter how “over it” and “content” he tries to come across as) , and he’d give his left nut to be paired with Eddie again . Now that Ed has regained his health/chops/sanity/focus and passion for music , Sam has eaten a bit of crow .

    Too bad they all couldn’t bury the hatchet .

  30. DLR 1973

    7 months ago

    QUOTE

    There was a strange aggression on ADKOT, that to me, seemed unexpected.
    No ballads, too!
    
    
    I see what you mean. They seemed to want to show they could still be heavy. I think this album will have an oddball like "Could This Be Magic", "Big Bad Bill", or even "Sunday Afternoon/One Foot". 
    
    You are right about that aggression, especially Roth's lyrics. Some dark stuff.
    
    
    
    
    I'm hoping they step back a little with this new record, not so much to prove, and have a little more fun.
    
    ADKOT didn't flow that well between the songs, possibly because they hauled out so much from the vaults, and were just trying too hard to prove that they could still do it. Despite this, it's still a great record.
    
    Van Halen need to include something off the wall, an instrumental, a tongue in cheek song, something that bands like Black Sabbath and ACDC could never get away with.
  31. unchainedguitars

    7 months ago

    I have been listening to a steady stream of vintage VH bootlegs recently, but this morning
    i DL’d and listened to a show from Japan, on the ADKOT tour.

    My God, it was worse than i remembered (the vocals).
    I love Roth era more than anything, but his singing, today, is just fucking awful.
    I could not believe how bad it was, and after listening to how good he sounded
    back then (and he did, he had a great laid-back, badass tone to his voice), it made me
    wonder how it all could go so wrong!

    His singing & even speaking in this bizarre high pitched but hoarse, range.
    It’s like a Broadway singer with blown out vocal chords.
    He’s straining in each & every song.

    And, while Edward has regained his chops, his tone is so high end & almost thin.
    It’s like it’s been filtered through a wah pedal, but cocked to a metallic sort of setting.
    The tone isn’t huge like the albums, but also lacks the personality of the vintage era.

    I just don’t get why, with all the new gear he has, he’d set it to that tone.

    The one shining moment was Al’s drums & the stellar backing vocals.
    Wolf & Ed sound great, which makes Dave sound even worse, sadly.
    Wolf is nailing the MA parts, he did his homework.

    It really guts me to say this, but it just struck me hard today.
    Not sure how they can work around this on the next record, unless Roth sings much lower.

  32. DLR 1973

    7 months ago

    QUOTE

    I have been listening to a steady stream of vintage VH bootlegs recently, but this morning
    i DL'd and listened to a show from Japan, on the ADKOT tour.
    
    My God, it was worse than i remembered (the vocals).
    I love Roth era more than anything, but his singing, today, is just fucking awful.
    I could not believe how bad it was, and after listening to how good he sounded
    back then (and he did, he had a great laid-back, badass tone to his voice), it made me
    wonder how it all could go so wrong!
    
    His singing & even speaking in this bizarre high pitched but hoarse, range.
    It's like a Broadway singer with blown out vocal chords.
    He's straining in each & every song.
    
    And, while Edward has regained his chops, his tone is so high end & almost thin.
    It's like it's been filtered through a wah pedal, but cocked to a metallic sort of setting.
    The tone isn't huge like the albums, but also lacks the personality of the vintage era.
    
    I just don't get why, with all the new gear he has, he'd set it to that tone.
    
    The one shining moment was Al's drums & the stellar backing vocals.
    Wolf & Ed sound great, which makes Dave sound even worse, sadly.
    Wolf is nailing the MA parts, he did his homework.
    
    It really guts me to say this, but it just struck me hard today.
    Not sure how they can work around this on the next record, unless Roth sings much lower.
    
    
    
    
    Eddie would so improve his sound if he tuned his guitar to the same level as the classic era. 
    
    I agree that his tone is high, I feel that it is too high.
    
    I remember reading an interview when 5150 came out, where Eddie said that because Dave was gone, he no longer needed to tune his guitar down an octave or something.
    
    Although I like Me Wise Magic, I did think, even back in 1996, that they made Dave sing too high in parts of the song.
    
    When Dave sings too high his voice looses a lot of it's character and richness.
    
    If only Van Halen would listen too their fans, they would end up with with a far better record.
  33. unchainedguitars

    7 months ago

    QUOTE

    
    
    
    
    Eddie would so improve his sound if he tuned his guitar to the same level as the classic era. 
    
    I agree that his tone is high, I feel that it is too high.
    
    I remember reading an interview when 5150 came out, where Eddie said that because Dave was gone, he no longer needed to tune his guitar down an octave or something.
    
    Although I like Me Wise Magic, I did think, even back in 1996, that they made Dave sing too high in parts of the song.
    
    When Dave sings too high, his voice looses a lot of it's character and richness.
    
    If only Van Halen would listen too their fans, they would end up with a record that sounded on par with the 6 pack, plus tour videos that pleased the majority of fans.

    I think Sum used to say that they missed their window, and all of this should have happened in 1996.
    Dave still sounds like Dave on those two tracks, the basic character of his voice, but you can hear the “future
    Dave in those distracting, “Whooah yeahs!” In “Me wise magic.”

    And i liked Ed’s tone on those two tracks, though it sounded a bit more “stratty” to my ears.

    ADKOT was decent, but doing this in 1996 would have been so much more rewarding (both in a songwriting
    sense and in the live arena).
    Those two tracks were brand new, but different & good.
    I would have liked to hear a full album from that point in VH’s career, something before Dave
    completely lost his voice.
    They still had a little bit of youth left, i guess.
    There was a punchiness to the tracks.

    But it’s hard to listen to the live stuff from the ADKOT tour, as pure listening enjoyment.
    He’s either singing wrong, or he just can’t sing.

    Ed’s tone, for me, is somewhat distracting too.
    It’s so un-Eddie in many ways, so very “Guitar Center.”

    Even that dying pickup on the Sheep tour, retained that quirky/Eddie, tone.
    He just had a feel and sound, like no one else.

  34. thismusicsux

    7 months ago

    QUOTE

    I have been listening to a steady stream of vintage VH bootlegs recently, but this morning
    i DL'd and listened to a show from Japan, on the ADKOT tour.
    
    My God, it was worse than i remembered (the vocals).
    I love Roth era more than anything, but his singing, today, is just fucking awful.
    I could not believe how bad it was, and after listening to how good he sounded
    back then (and he did, he had a great laid-back, badass tone to his voice), it made me
    wonder how it all could go so wrong!
    
    His singing & even speaking in this bizarre high pitched but hoarse, range.
    It's like a Broadway singer with blown out vocal chords.
    He's straining in each & every song.
    
    And, while Edward has regained his chops, his tone is so high end & almost thin.
    It's like it's been filtered through a wah pedal, but cocked to a metallic sort of setting.
    The tone isn't huge like the albums, but also lacks the personality of the vintage era.
    
    I just don't get why, with all the new gear he has, he'd set it to that tone.
    
    The one shining moment was Al's drums & the stellar backing vocals.
    Wolf & Ed sound great, which makes Dave sound even worse, sadly.
    Wolf is nailing the MA parts, he did his homework.
    
    It really guts me to say this, but it just struck me hard today.
    Not sure how they can work around this on the next record, unless Roth sings much lower.

    UG, I agree with 100% all points. And these are basically the 2 points that have been with me since Feb/2012 when first seeing the tour.

    1) Dave’s voice is fairly shot. Look I don’t really fault him…he’s an old(er) man at this point. Almost all live footage I’ve seen since 2012 is pretty hard to watch for me. Again it’s more about the hard facts and of it all…. Dave was the biggest, baddest frontman from 78-84 and I know he just can’t be that guy now 30+ years later. So it’s more sad to me that all this time has passed from the glory days. Still it seems like on the record he keeps at a better range and sounds pretty good. It’s live where he goes completely off the rails.

    and

    2) Ed… the master of guitar tone for so many years… now has a very metal / wah tone that isn’t really good to my ears. So much distortion compared to his original tone. And it’s so strange coming from the KING OF TONE. Still I don’t think anyone can touch the tone of the six pack records.

    and

    3) ALEX VAN HALEN … is still solid and strong as ever — He’s been the most consistent member in the band for 36 years.

  35. PrideofPasadena

    7 months ago

    My believe is as long as VH has a front man new music will come.Ed didn’t put the band back together to just play greatest hits shows.This is a new beginning.He wanted to play with Wolfgang.That also means making records with his son.He creates music,that’s what he does.It may take three years to make a record but it will happen.As long as everyone is healthy new music will come…no matter who is singing.

    There’s a lot of good music in the vaults…no reason they can’t use a few on the new one.

    The only thing I hope for this time around is less lyrics….no need to cram the songs full of words again.Or at least let the riff play out a few bars before you do.

  36. unchainedguitars

    7 months ago

    QUOTE

    UG, I agree with 100% all points.  And these are basically the 2 points that have been with me since Feb/2012 when first seeing the tour.
    
    1) Dave's voice is fairly shot.  Look I don't really fault him...he's an old(er) man at this point.  Almost all live footage I've seen since 2012 is pretty hard to watch for me.  Again it's more about the hard facts of it all, father time.... Dave was the biggest, baddest  frontman from 78-84.  He was untouchable.  Now he's just a shell of the old DLR.  And I know he just can't be that guy now at almost 60yo.  Still it seems like on the record he keeps at a better range and sounds pretty good.  It's live where he goes completely off the rails.
    
    and
    
    2) Ed... the master of guitar tone for so many years... now has a very metal / wah tone that isn't really good to my ears.  So much distortion compared to his original tone.  And it's so strange coming from the KING OF TONE.  I don't think anyone can touch the tone of the six pack records to this day.  2012 tone is def Guitar Center.. .generic metal...might as well be a Mesa dual rectifier which is a little too much for my taste.
    
    and
    
    3) ALEX VAN HALEN ... is still solid and strong as ever --- He's been the most consistent member in the band for 36 years.
    
    Overall not being negative on VH.. just depressed we're not all still 22 years old .. haha
    but yeah I think 1996 was the window to get Dave back and do everything they're doing now. they really lost a lot of good years there and now pushing 60 you just can't expect the glory days Van Halen.

    As always, man, i really respect your point of view.

    Certain members, i almost feel like hear classic VH with my ears, and you are one of them.
    Loving those first six records so much, you almost hear it too well, i guess.
    Eddie’s tone was such a thumb print, it was almost like a voice in a way, and i could never understand
    why he took that trademark and made it all “Guitar Center.”
    It could be the damage to his ears, from so many years of tearing it up.
    He may be trying to compensate in what he hears.

    And Dave…

    So many people toss out the, “But he was never a good singer to begin with…”
    I say bullshit.
    His voice could not have been more perfect for that band at that time.
    On that ’78 boot i recently DL’d, he just sounds so fucking cool.
    He says one line to the crowd, i cannot recall, but the rhythm of his voice and
    the delivery, he sounded like the coolest cat on the planet.

    But you are correct.
    Age is a bitch, and these guys lived it for so long.
    I know i’m being too hard on them, but it’s just such a huge difference comparing
    how they were to how they sound now.

    I literally was turning down that 2013 Osaka show, because it was hurting my ears.
    But ADKOT, the album, i can still enjoy.

  37. thismusicsux

    7 months ago

    QUOTE

    So many people toss out the, "But he was never a good singer to begin with..."
    I say bullshit.
    His voice could not have been more perfect for that band at that time.
    On that '78 boot i recently DL'd, he just sounds so fucking cool.
    He says one line to the crowd, i cannot recall, but the rhythm of his voice and
    the delivery, he sounded like the coolest cat on the planet.
    

    yeah.. it’s actually funny how people typically discount Dave’s voice. Of course I’m biased… but I think his voice was obviously perfect for CVH… along w his swagger and showmanship that couldn’t be touched. But his voice was actually really strong with a fairly decent range. Really I think his voice is stronger and more powerful than Sammy’s (sure sammy can get high and screech). Plus Dave’s trademark screams. I mean really??!!!! Where did that come from and how the hell did he come up with that!

  38. 1234over

    7 months ago

    url]http://therangeplace.forummotions.com/t45-david-lee-roth?highlight=roth[/url]
    This is a website dedicated to analyzing vocalists. It has a bunch of geeky, Musician’s Institute-type people on it. Regardless, some of what they have to say about Roth is interesting, both good and bad.

    http://therangeplace.forummotions.com/t45-david-lee-roth?highlight=roth
    
    			
  39. Heisenberg

    7 months ago

    Even though there are pictures of him smoking on the 2007 tour, I have a hunch he might have cut back quite a bit during that time.

  40. punkatomic

    7 months ago

    Dave voice?

    I saw him at the EQC in 2006 (I think). He sounded good. I thought to myself that Dave is getting better with age.

    I saw him when the reversion tour hit Seattle in 2007. I thought Dave was spot on. I remember him singing I’ll Wait and thinking to myself, “He has never sounded better.” To be honest, the whole band was on that night!

    I saw Van Halen in 2012 at the wood shed in Tacoma. I thought Dave’s voice was shot, but then again the Tacoma Dome sucks for good audio. Everything was muddled. Anyway, he sounded bad, but I noticed on certain songs he sounded good. Pretty Woman comes to mind.

    Like Heisenberg, I’m not sure what happened from 2007 to 2012/2013 tour.

    So much of David Lee Roth’s front man charm and relevance was his leadership, ego, youth, smarts, sense of humor, timing, energy and physicality. Dave, like the rest of us lost his youth. Rock N Roll is a young’s man game. He still has the ego, smarts and sense of humor, however his timing, energy and physicality isn’t what it used to be. Part of Dave larger then live persona was what he did on stage. He dominated. His jump splits of the drum riser was his money shot. The kicks over his heads, the round house kicks, the jumping and running around is something he can’t do anymore. He stops the jump splits and is now sliding across the floor like Gene Kelly or Gregory Hines. I swear if he starts tap dancing, I might just have to call it a day.

    His singing needs to improve and that is completely on Dave. Ed tuning down isn’t going to help. Wolf’s background vocals isn’t going to hide it. Focus on the singing and loose the Jazz hands.

  41. unchainedguitars

    7 months ago

    Not to beat a dead horse, but i was watching the Saxon documentary, Heavy Metal Thunder, and
    what struck me was how Biff Byford, today, sounds as good (if not better) than the Biff from 1981.
    The guy has to be about 60, and his voice is still in pristine NWOBHM shape!
    How is that even possible?

    In the doc, they mention an early ’79 tour with Motorhead, and Lemmy claims Saxon’s only
    vice was hot tea.
    I guess Biff avoided the drugs, the booze & cigs (only a half glass of red wine, pre-show).
    My God, he sounds great.

    And Biff is more of a powerhouse type singer than Roth, but somehow his voice remained strong.

  42. punkatomic

    7 months ago

    QUOTE=unchainedguitars;359169]Not to beat a dead horse, but i was watching the Saxon documentary, Heavy Metal Thunder, and
    what struck me was how Biff Byford, today, sounds as good (if not better) than the
    You can tell that Family Van Halen has their groove going. Dave’s has to find his. I hope that they are actually playing together and not just swapping ideas via emails and or phone calls, IMO.

    Not to beat a dead horse, but i was watching the Saxon documentary, Heavy Metal Thunder, and
    what struck me was how Biff Byford, today, sounds as good (if not better) than the Biff from 1981.
    The guy has to be about 60, and his voice is still in pristine NWOBHM shape!
    How is that even possible?
    
    In the doc, they mention an early '79 tour with Motorhead, and Lemmy claims Saxon's only
    vice was hot tea.
    I guess Biff avoided the drugs, the booze & cigs (only a half glass of red wine, pre-show).
    My God, he sounds great.
    
    And Biff is more of a powerhouse type singer than Roth, but somehow his voice remained strong.

    That’s funny. I was watching Aerosmith in concert. I believe it was their recent show in Japan. Anyway, Steven sounded fucking great. As soon as I thought that, I wondered what Dave sounded like that in Japan.

    Here’s to new music. :beers:

  43. Heisenberg

    7 months ago

    QUOTE

    Dave voice?
    
    I saw him at the EQC in 2006 (I think).  He sounded good. 

    I was supposed to see him up here in a casino theatre around the same time but my shows were cancelled due to illness. Had tickets for both nights, and was extremly hyped up for them. It would of been the first time I’d ever attended two shows back to back.

    His following tour stop was in South America for a large festival. One of the guys here attended and posted a thread about it.
    ( As you probably remember.)

    Just think, at that time in late 2006, He knew the VH reunion was finally coming together. The show you saw at the EQC was one of his last solo gigs. The final two were in Alberta, Canada.

    Anyhow, you can see and hear with this cell phone video snippet of DTNA, that he sounded fairly decent, and the crowd was super enthusiastic. If you check the other short video snippets on the same YouTube Channel, you can see his demeanor and stage antics were a little zany at the time, but had the crowd eating out of the palm of his hand.

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    Hey Punkatomic, I see now you are from Seattle. For years I have cracked up at this guys tv commercials. You must have seen this one before.

    4MJ3HVDTIqY

  44. Heisenberg

    7 months ago

    QUOTE

    Not to beat a dead horse, but i was watching the Saxon documentary, Heavy Metal Thunder, and
    what struck me was how Biff Byford, today, sounds as good (if not better) than the Biff from 1981.
    The guy has to be about 60, and his voice is still in pristine NWOBHM shape!
    How is that even possible?
    
    In the doc, they mention an early '79 tour with Motorhead, and Lemmy claims Saxon's only
    vice was hot tea.
    I guess Biff avoided the drugs, the booze & cigs (only a half glass of red wine, pre-show).
    My God, he sounds great.
    
    And Biff is more of a powerhouse type singer than Roth, but somehow his voice remained strong.

    I just saw them recently last year. You’re right, he does still sound just as good as ever. The whole band sounded wicked. It was the last show of the tour leg and some of the guys from the opening act came out onstage to jam during ” Denim and Leather “. I was surprised by the turnout and crowd response. The entire show rocked big time.

    They played some of my favorites I thought they might not do, such as ” This Town Rocks, Dallas 1 PM, The Eagle Has Landed “.( I was worried I might not recognize a lot of the stuff as I hadn’t really been following them for a long time. ) It was one hell of a damn fine performance. You could feel the intensity of the drums.

  45. unchainedguitars

    7 months ago

    QUOTE

    I just saw them recently last year. You're right, he does still sound just as good as ever. The whole band sounded wicked. It was the last show of the tour leg and some of the guys from the opening act came out onstage to jam during " Denim and Leather ". I was surprised by the turnout and crowd response. The entire show rocked big time.
    
    They played some of my favorites I thought they might not do, such as " This Town Rocks, Dallas 1 PM, The Eagle Has Landed ".(  I was worried I might not recognize a lot of the stuff as I hadn't really been following them for a long time. ) It was one hell of a damn fine performance. You could feel the intensity of the drums.
    
    I'll have to get that documentary sometime. 
    
    I wouldn't really compare them to DLR though. I sort of recall them being referred to as England's version of VH back in the old days, but dont really see much in common amongst them.

    I wasn’t comparing Saxon to VH in sound or style.

    My point was that both Biff & Dave have had, roughly, the same length of time as singers and performers.
    Biff still has his original voice, Dave does not.

    But, certainly, Saxon sounds a great deal different from VH.

  46. unchainedguitars

    7 months ago

    QUOTE

    You can tell that Family Van Halen has their groove going.  Dave's has to find his.  I hope that they are actually playing together and not just swapping ideas via emails and or phone calls, IMO.
    
    
    That's funny.  I was watching a Aerosmith concert in beautiful HD.  I believe it was their recent show in Japan.  Anyway,  Steven sounded fucking great.  As soon as I thought that, I wondered what Dave sounded like that night in Japan.
    
    Here's to new music.  :beers:

    For some reason, Steven can snort up half Peru in the 70’s, and still sound great in 2013!
    Tyler is an oddity, in that sense.

    Byford, i was thinking, had to do with clean living.
    Tyler, though…

  47. cowboydan

    7 months ago

    video=youtube;pXUgPcyo2d8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXUgPcyo2
    I thought Dave sounded pretty good in Japan last summer:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXUgPcyo2d8&list=PL8jnBXUiGFODT0NiQKIir7P0nssGvaNrH
    
    :57:
  48. unchainedguitars

    7 months ago

    I believe that’s the show i downloaded, and he sounds awful.

    He also changes the vocal character of the song’s.
    “And the cradle will rock” had such a badass, menacing vocal delivery, but on the 2013 live
    version he sing’s it like it’s a campfire sing along.

  49. cowboydan

    7 months ago

    I haven’t listened to the whole show, and I don’t like the way he sings Tattoo. But I think it’s more how he’s choosing to sing certain songs, rather than his voice being shot. He’s stretching for high notes when there’s no need to do it. He’s a baritone but he’s trying to be a soprano……….it’s just weird. I don’t understand it, because to me he sounds very good on the early songs in this concert.

  50. unchainedguitars

    7 months ago

    QUOTE

    I haven't listened to the whole show, and I don't like the way he sings Tattoo. But I think it's more how he's choosing to sing certain songs, rather than his voice being shot. He's stretching for high notes when there's no need to do it. He's a baritone but he's trying to be a soprano..........it's just weird. I don't understand it, because to me he sounds very good on the early songs in this concert.

    He’s even talking to the crowd in that higher register.

    On the bootleg, he does the Unchained/Gimme a break bit, and it sounds (for lack of a better word)
    gay!

    And that riff which gave me a raging boner at Oakland (Unchained), sounds buzzy & over saturated
    in 2013.
    Both guys, Dave & Ed, just have really weak tones, imo.
    Ed’s regained his chops for the most part, but his sound has become almost generic.

    Wolf sounds great.
    Alex sounds great.

  51. Nick AVH fan

    7 months ago

    He sounds a lot better on the Pasa Robles show in 2013. I think it’s because he had break in between shows.

  52. unchainedguitars

    7 months ago

    Yeah, i remember that one being a bit better.

    I’m bitching too much, i know…
    I still hold the six pack close to my heart, though.

  53. rawkinrobbievh1

    7 months ago

    QUOTE

    He sounds a lot better on the Pasa Robles show in 2013. I think it's because he had break in between shows.

    I have to agree . That show really had a great vibe .
    The guys aren’t 23 anymore , so it’s a good idea to appreciate what positives they have to offer now . Getting old is a bitch !!!